Andy and John are joined by Luke Turner, co-founder and editor of The Quietus whose memoir Out of the Woods was shortlisted for the Wainwright Prize and longlisted for the Polari Prize for first book by an LGBT+ writer. Under discussion is Of Walking in Ice (1978), Werner Herzog’s account of the journey he made from Munich to Paris on foot in December 1974 to visit the doyenne of German film, Lotte Eisner, who he believed to be dying.

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